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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 5, 2011 9:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WT & AR and other WW2 buffs / Not GD

This really touched me deep inside. I am a Ukrainian-born American citizen. I have heard the stories of WW2 from my grandparents - nightmares, horrible things that children should not have to live through. I feel so incredibly blessed to have avoided this suffering yet also absurdly ignorant of this aspect of life. And I think the shit I go through these days is bad... maybe I should read some of this stuff and appreciate that I am in a better place...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Mar 6, 2011 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WT & AR and other WW2 buffs / Not GD

It's not easy to read about WW2. The level of barbarity on a grand scale hasn't been seen in history since Genghis Khan. There was a Ukrainian saying that Stalin shot the first brother, then Hitler shot the other.
With a degree of certainty, we know that 3 million people were staved to death, on purpose and for ideological reasons, in the Soviet Ukraine in '32-'33. Stalin took seed corn if you could not meet impossible quotas. All property now belonged the state. The cow, the pig and the horse. And consequently they were all taken by roving bands of Party Committees unfettered by law.
One last mention is also the deliberate starvation of the Soviet POW's from the massive surrender's during the summer and fall of '41. Almost all 3 million. The Nazi's encircled open ground for a 'prison camp' and let few if any supplies in. By the spring of '42 there was no need for the Nazi's to protect corpses.
Food as a weapon.